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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you, Ann,</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Thank you for examples of how sociometry exercises
can foster the goal of sociatry</FONT><FONT face=Arial size=2>...how to
expand our consciousness into intervention in shifting the sociodyanmic
effect. In fact, it was from dialogues with you last year that
emerged from Grouptalk, that the sociatry goal of sociometry became
clarified to me. You offered then that sociometric sociatry interventions
can be done in everyday life...as simple as sitting in a different place than we
usually do in a community setting or reaching out to others than who
we usually do. </FONT></DIV>
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<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>This is more what I was referring to as to goals of
sociatry than influencing a political process. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cynthia</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
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<A title=annehale@swva.net href="mailto:annehale@swva.net">Ann Hale</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=cgayle@zipcon.com
href="mailto:cgayle@zipcon.com">CGayle</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=list@grouptalkweb.org
href="mailto:list@grouptalkweb.org">grouptalk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 12, 2009 12:43
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sociometry Training</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Cynthia, I believe what you have written are true statements of most
training which gives attention to sociometry. There are a couple of
skills, if added, would enhance the broadening of the consciouness-raising to
more sociatric awareness. <FONT color=#0000ff>One</FONT> is teaching
participants to recognize the criterion, in very explicit terms, when choices
are being made.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The simple criterion might begin "whom do I choose to speak for me in our
current group conflict?" A very explicit criterion might be, "In order
to shuffle the current hierarchical ordering within our group and to move
otheres into more prominence, whom do I choose to share the leadership as we
engage in our current group conflict?"</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>In Australia, and sometimes here, the role engagement inspired criteria
might be "Whom do I choose to represent the "progressive role" in this
group conflict, the "coping role" in the group conflict, and the "fragmenting
role" in the group conflict?</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>The <FONT color=#0000ff>second</FONT><FONT face=" " color=#000000> is to
begin using the perceptual only criteria that ask group members to identify,
"Whom do I perceive will be chosen on this criterion _____ (1) More often than
me (+) ; (2) ABout the same as me (N) and (3) Less often than me
(-).</FONT></DIV>
<DIV>The reasons are written on the paper where you have the three
categories. The results give you a group-wide perception of the
hierarchical standing of a person for that one criterion. If you examine
multiple criteria you are able to see position over the role repertoire, and
to find sub-groups of persons who consistently make the "more often than me"
category, and those that more consistently are in the "less often than
me". When the group analyzes the reasons, it is able to identify what
appears to be underlying the availablity to certain hierarchical positions in
the group...and to begin to allow the information from all the group members
to impact the ways their individual perceptions shape sociometric
outcome. Now, this kind of group study needs careful planning for, as
you are not looking at actual choices, but the ways perceptions shape
choices. My experience is that people often "see into others choices" and
"know" them before they are spoken. This is a way for the group to learn
about this process and to change the group hierarchy. It is useful to go
right into multiple role reversals, re-forming small groups to be
inclusive and exclusive, and to structure events which shift the sociodynamic
effect from this conscious place.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>We need to have experiences of a variety of sociometric processes before
taking them "on the road". </DIV>
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<A title=cgayle@zipcon.com href="mailto:cgayle@zipcon.com">CGayle</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=list@grouptalkweb.org
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Sunday, July 12, 2009 3:34
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sociometry Training</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>One of the problems from my experience is
sociometry is taught as awareness of consciousness of choice and access to
roles, in creating a safe and well functioning therapy group,
often excluding the sociatric healing goals of sociometry. I think
because training is usually limited to making a therapy or
training group function well. Outcomes of sociometric exercises make
people are more aware of their and other's choices, and psychodramas or
encounters can ensue depending on one's position and impact of the
exercises. All well and good. But the sociatric goals of
sociometry, such as to heal the sociodynamic effect, is not integrated into
the training experience enough, if at all. Healing sociometry enough
for a therapy or training group to function well does not necessarily teach
us how to live a lifestyle of choice for sociatric benefit.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>People are more aware of their and other's
choices from sociometry, but I have found it often leaving
them holding onto their choices more...feeling validated to honor
their choices and roles from then on out, sometimes in an almost
narcissistic way. The awareness of sociometric choice and our roles are
just first, albeit complicated, steps toward the goal of sociometry, which
is sociatry. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How much are we challenged to go outside our
natural inclinations of choice? How much are we challenged to go
outside our comfort zone? How much are we being taught how to (really)
include the Other? How much are stars taught to use their roles for
community benefit or social good? How much are we challenged to
greatly stretch as individuals, to foster compassion and inclusiveness, and
spend time with those we do not choose? A hard thing to do, for myself
as well. </FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Choice also effects environmental issues.
I can be aware of choices I want to do to help the environment, but which
ones do I reject because I don't want to do them? Do I honor my choice
or do I get challenged to look at what I reject, and learn to stretch beyond
my comfort zone?</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>How do we learn to Love Ones Neighbor (or
planet) as Oneself....if we just get better knowing what we like/want and
don't like/want? Or if leaders or stars are not taught how to use
their social wealth to the benefit of the community? Perhaps this is
one of the biggest pieces Moreno left for us to continue to
develop.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Cynthia Gayle</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>Seattle+</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV
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<A title=edwschreiber@earthlink.net
href="mailto:edwschreiber@earthlink.net">Edward Schreiber</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A title=hvpi@hvc.rr.com
href="mailto:hvpi@hvc.rr.com">HV Psychodrama</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Cc:</B> <A title=list@grouptalkweb.org
href="mailto:list@grouptalkweb.org">grouptalk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Saturday, July 11, 2009 2:15
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sociometry
Training</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Hi,
<DIV>Thanks for this! I particularly love reading sociometry as
"consciousness of choice and access to roles within the group and in
people's lives." I am made aware of systems thinking, Bowen and
Holtzman and others, thinking that this focus on the freedom and range of
choice we have, is dependent in part on who we are socioemtrically in this
country, this world. For instance, for many years, all of my life
really, I could not take a role of legitimate, in terms of the social
honoring of a partner recognized as equal to others. Thank God that
has changed and continues to change! But I have a role too of
consumer, for example. In the HIV treatment world "victims" were
changed to "consumers" attempting to empower people living with AIDS.
But consumer is deadly now, as we have perhaps, like some scientists
tell us, have passed a number of tipping points in global ecological
change. The dying of the coral reefs being one of note. So
what does it mean to offer role training as the ecology may be tipping?
In thinking of these questions for many years and reading Who Shall
Survive? with a magnifying class of a state of mind, trying to understand
each meaning Moreno was asking us to consider. The most
compelling for me, woven throughout, is his view on the sociodynamic
effect as a human wide phenomena to which we are all being victimized.
Some more than others. Women, continents of people, lgbt
youth, and many more. But underneath this effect
happening/noted in all social settings, Moreno realized an "social and
organic unity" among humanity. To the natural world as well.
Sociatry I believe is getting to that organic unity and using
sociometry to allow the sociodynamic effect to be seen and changed.
Someplace we found a quote describing the instruments (sociometry,
sociodrama, psychodrama) are for social change. I liked that.
It's now about pioneering a new frontier, allowing ourselves to follow -
and in my experience now, since my childhood, years of addressing life's
ups and downs, it's fundamentally about finding a direct relationship with
the Godhead, Zerka calls this an autonomous healing center within us.
I am finding this to be what I am finding in thinking about our
method as having tools for all of humankind, but realize it's all in an
early stage, still, now, in our collective's offering to the world.
In other words, I think the best of our work is before us.
Finding dialogue as Ann teaches is great.</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Thanks,</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Ed<BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Jul 11, 2009, at 5:38 AM, HV Psychodrama wrote:</DIV><BR
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>Adam, your heart is surely in the
right place and clearly you are coming from wanting to honor something
important. However, to add to what Ann wrote...sociometry is not
separate from psychodrama. It would be like trying to teach heart
surgery without teaching the circulatory system. </FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is one of the basics, it is part
of everything we do, whether we are aware of it or not. And it is vital
that we psychodramatists understand it, learn how to use it, learn to be
conscious of it. not as a separate discipline but as part of our
method.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>And to be clear, I am not speaking
here of all the sociometric group building exercise and warm ups as
wonderful as they are. I am talking about consciousness of choice and
access to roles within the group and in people's
lives.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>It is part of the difference
between simple role playing and the richness of our
method.</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2></FONT></STRONG> </DIV>
<DIV><STRONG><FONT face=Arial size=2>Rebecca</FONT></STRONG></DIV>
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<A title=annehale@swva.net href="mailto:annehale@swva.net">Ann
Hale</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 10, 2009 10:29
PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Fw: Sociometry
Training</DIV>
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<DIV><B>To:</B> <A title=adam@blatner.com
href="mailto:adam@blatner.com">Adam Blatner</A> </DIV>
<DIV><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 10, 2009 10:28 PM</DIV>
<DIV><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sociometry Training</DIV></DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Having a special award may seem like a neat thing to do, but it
is another way to split sociometry off from the action methods, as iff
it exists apart from the integrative whole as envisioned by
Moreno. Of course you can separate out "techniques" for a
structured learning situation, but it is hard to leave out the applied
and action part.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Every traumatic event is a sociometric one. Every warm-up
is a sociometric one. Every psychodrama, role play, sociodrama,
bibliodrama, soul drama, etc. has a foundation in the the nature of
the interpersonal connections which support the risks taken, the
willing acceptance of roles, and sharing from the heart.
Psychodrama is full-circle sociometry.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Let's just keep on, keeping on the soul train of the whole
shebang. Ann Hale</DIV>
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<A title=ablatner@verizon.net
href="mailto:ablatner@verizon.net">Adam Blatner</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A
title=abepsychodrama@yahoo.com
href="mailto:abepsychodrama@yahoo.com">ABE Psychodrama</A> ; <A
title=list@grouptalkweb.org
href="mailto:list@grouptalkweb.org">GroupTalk</A> </DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, July 10, 2009
5:26 PM</DIV>
<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: Sociometry
Training</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial size=2>So what about having an ASGPP award for
people who make substantial contributions to advancing
sociometry? I have proposed this recently, and of course
folks will need to think about it. But it does seem as if sociometry
continues to be given more weight in the last twenty years. Warmly,
Adam</FONT></DIV>
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Friday, June 26, 2009
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<DIV style="FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Sociometry
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<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>As usual Rebecca and Ann have been most articulate on
the subject of sociometry. I would agree that
sociometry is best taught in training groups and I weave in
the Sociometric Healing Circle as a way to explore how
sociometry impacts every relationship that we create.
I also teach the unorthodox and that is intrapersonal and
transpersonal sociometry. I believe that the same
sociometric patterns that we create with others we also
create within ourselves (part of our self, parts of our
physical body, etc) and with transpersonal figures. It
take a long time, maybe a few lifetimes, to really come to
accept and be compassionate to all. We can reject
something/someone without anger, resentment, hurt and
judgment. At least I believe that is theoretically
possible . I am still working on this myself.
<BR><BR>Dale Richard
Buchanan<BR><BR></DIV></TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE><BR>
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