<div dir="ltr">Hi Rollo all<br><br>You replied just to me, so I hope it is ok that I reply to the group. I think the default setting to reply to the group creates a better discussion. People can always ignore, or manage their email by using folders. <br><br>Here is a quote from the 1940 article you sent Rollo, that I found interesting.<br><br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><i>Objectification of himself by the patient can also be accomplished by means of the 'reversal' technique. The patient is asked to place himself in the role of someone in his social atom, and an auxiliary ego--or the actual person whom the patient </i><i>is to portray, if possible--is placed In the role of </i><i>the patient.</i></blockquote><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"></blockquote><div style="font-style:italic"><i><br></i></div>It is this line that grabs my attention: "-or the actual person whom the patient is to portray, if possible-". This is the situation where a 'natural group' is present. A family or a couple. Has anyone had experience working with such real life role reversal? I have experimented with it in couple therapy, without much evidence of it working so well. The auxiliary finds it hard to tolerate what they perceive as inaccurate portrayal by the protagonist. I'd be interested to hear if anyone has seen it work well. <div><div><br></div><div>Warm wishes, Walter</div><div> <br><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"></blockquote><i><br></i><blockquote style="margin:0 0 0 40px;border:none;padding:0px"><i><br></i></blockquote></div></div></div><br><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 15 Sept 2021 at 17:09, Rollo Browne <<a href="mailto:rollobrowne1952@gmail.com">rollobrowne1952@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;">Thanks Walter<div>The earliest reference I have found was actually
<p style="margin-left:36pt"><span lang="EN-GB" style="font-size:10pt;font-family:Calibri,sans-serif">Moreno
J. L. (1940). Psychodramatic Treatment of Psychoses, <i>Sociometry</i>, April
1940, Vol 3, No 2, pp. 115-132 <u></u><u></u></span></p>
<div>I am sending you a copy in case you don’t have it. It’s very interesting how he (they) developed these techniques particularly on disturbed patients, essentially dealing with aberrations in psychological development. Zerka did most of the writing and experimenting with being a double (1946, 1948). Then later they must have realised that this was a major insight and pulled it together in the 3 stages of double, mirror and role reversal (1952).</div><div></div></div></div><div style="overflow-wrap: break-word;"><div><div></div><div><br></div><div>Love to you and KT</div><div>Xxx</div><div>Rollo</div><div><br></div><div><br><blockquote type="cite"><div>On 14 Sep 2021, at 7:58 pm, Walter Logeman <<a href="mailto:walter@psybernet.co.nz" target="_blank">walter@psybernet.co.nz</a>> wrote:</div><br><div><div dir="ltr"><div dir="auto">Hi Rollo</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div dir="auto">Your post came through fine. I hope some others got back to you, if so please share.</div><div dir="auto"><br></div><div>I'm sure you know this but they are mentioned in "Who Shall Survive?" — I have a 1953 edition P83</div><div><br></div><div>"The warming up process of the subject to psychodramatic portrayal is stimulated by numerous techniques, only a few of which are mentioned here : self presentation, soliloquy, projection, interpolation of resistance, reversal of roles, double ego, mirror techniques, auxiliary world, realization and psycho-chemical techniques"</div><div><br></div><div>I wonder if this was also in the 1932 edition? <br></div><div><br></div><div>I also found references to mirroring, role reversal and doubling in:<br><br>A Case of Paranoia Treated Through Psychodrama<br>Author(s): J. L. Moreno<br>Source: Sociometry , Aug., 1944, Vol. 7, No. 3 (Aug., 1944), pp. 312-327<br>Published by: American Sociological Association<br>Stable URL: <a href="http://www.jstor.com/stable/2785100" target="_blank">http://www.jstor.com/stable/2785100</a><br></div><div><br></div><div>Warm wishes, Walter<br></div><div><br></div></div><div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Mon, 13 Sep 2021 at 6:38 PM, Rollo Browne <<a href="mailto:rollobrowne1952@gmail.com" target="_blank">rollobrowne1952@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">I haven’t received anything for some time<br>
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I would also like to post something<br>
Thanks<br>
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Rollo<br>
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Does anyone know what is the earliest evidence of the use of doubling, mirroring or role reversal in Moreno’s writings? I’m interested if the Stages of the Double, the Mirror and Role Reversal which first appear in 1952 (see Fox) are mainly Moreno’s attempt to provide his techniques with a theory. <br>
Any thoughts?<br>
Cheers<br>
Rollo Browne<br>
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