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peter at moreno.com.au
Sat Sep 18 06:13:15 UTC 2021
Dr Peter C Howie
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> On 18 Sep 2021, at 8:48 am, cartmel at alphalink.com.au wrote:
> Hi Rollo – Walter – Peter - Group
> regarding the 1940 article quote …...
> Objectification of himself by the patient can also be accomplished by means of the 'reversal'
> The patient is asked to place himself in the role of someone in his social atom, and an
> auxiliary ego--or the actual person whom the patient is to portray, if possible--is placed In the role
> of the
> The first issue at stake here is the one of - ‘near’ and ‘far’ sociometry - JLM wrestled with and never
> got to
> But, as much as I can discern, your dialogue to date relates to another and deeper issue – that of
> place of the ‘individual’ in the modern mind where the individual is terrorized by the group.
> A new reformulation of Aristotle’s dialectic of – the one versus the many. We see this with Trump
> trying to
> make the ONE usa great again by activating the unrulily mob. Trump can not see the
> irony of his mob terrorizing the one speaker of the house.
> Here is a 2006 quote from Boltanski.
> F. A. Hayek's Scientism and the Study of Society offers a particularly trenchant formulation of these
> critiques. The author contrasts "method-ological individualism" with a "scientistic approach
> treating as facts those collectives which are no more than popular generalizations" --or, as he puts it
> on, "vague popular theories" (1952, 38, 54). To dismantle the totalist (collectivist)
> prejudice, he borrows the terms in which Charles Vic-tor Langlois and Charles Seignobos
> formulated their
> critique of sociology: "[I]n the imagination as in direct observation, [collective acts]
> always re-duce to a sum of individual actions. The 'social fact,' as recognized by certain sociologists,
> is a
> philosophical construction, not a historical fact" (210-11 n. 29).
> This is the issue for the auxiliary and protagonist reversing roles. Are they reversing [inverting
> with a ‘sociological identity’ or a ‘phenomenon standing’ before them? A specific or a
> generalization? A near or far ‘thing’? A social construct conserve or an emergent person?
> Hope this assists.
> Brendan Cartmel
> Integral Socionomy
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