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[Rollo Browne]

Yes, although that’s 1959 and comes after the 1952 article on the stages of the double mirror and role reversal. 
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Rollo

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> On 18 Sep 2021, at 9:13 pm, M.K. Hudgins <drkatetsi at icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> Psychodrama Volume 2 is where most of the techniques are described.  It is available through asgpp.org if not mistaken.  
> 
> Kate Hudgins, Ph,D, TEP
> Therapeutic Spiral International
> www.therapeuticspiralmodel.com
> 
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>> On Sep 18, 2021, at 7:07 AM, Rollo Browne <rollobrowne1952 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks Peter. 
>> I’m looking for references to doubling mirroring and role reversal. 
>> It’s hard to tell what was in the first edition and what was added later. 
>> Cheers 
>> Rollo
>> 
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>>>> On 18 Sep 2021, at 4:18 pm, Moreno <peter at moreno.com.au> wrote:
>>> 
>>> I’ve a copy of the first WSS edition - not digitised though and at the office - I’ll have a look on Monday. 
>>> 
>>> Dr Peter C Howie
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On 18 Sep 2021, at 4:14 pm, Moreno <peter at moreno.com.au> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Dr Peter C Howie
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>> 
>>>>>> On 18 Sep 2021, at 8:48 am, cartmel at alphalink.com.au wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Hi Rollo – Walter – Peter - Group
>>>>> regarding the 1940 article quote …...
>>>>> Objectification of himself by the patient can also be accomplished by means of the 'reversal' 
>>>>> technique. 
>>>>> The patient is asked to place himself in the role of someone in his social atom, and an 
>>>>> auxiliary ego--or the actual person whom the patient is to portray, if possible--is placed In the role 
>>>>> of the 
>>>>> patient.
>>>>> The first issue at stake here is the one of - ‘near’ and ‘far’ sociometry - JLM wrestled with and never 
>>>>> got to 
>>>>> resolve.
>>>>> But, as much as I can discern,  your dialogue to date relates to another and deeper issue – that of 
>>>>> the 
>>>>> place of the  ‘individual’ in the modern mind where the individual is terrorized by the group. 
>>>>> A new reformulation of Aristotle’s dialectic of – the one versus the many. We see this with Trump 
>>>>> trying to 
>>>>> make the ONE usa great again by activating the unrulily mob.  Trump can not see the 
>>>>> irony of his mob terrorizing the one speaker of the house. 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Here is a 2006 quote from Boltanski.
>>>>> F. A. Hayek's Scientism and the Study of Society offers a particularly trenchant formulation of these 
>>>>> critiques. The author contrasts "method-ological individualism" with a "scientistic approach 
>>>>> treating as facts those collectives which are no more than popular generalizations" --or, as he puts it 
>>>>> later 
>>>>> on, "vague popular theories" (1952, 38, 54). To dismantle the totalist (collectivist) 
>>>>> prejudice, he borrows the terms in which Charles Vic-tor Langlois and Charles Seignobos 
>>>>> formulated their 
>>>>> critique of sociology: "[I]n the imagination as in direct observation, [collective acts] 
>>>>> always re-duce to a sum of individual actions. The 'social fact,' as recognized by certain sociologists, 
>>>>> is a 
>>>>> philosophical construction, not a historical fact" (210-11 n. 29). 
>>>>> 
>>>>> This is the issue for the auxiliary and protagonist reversing roles. Are they reversing [inverting 
>>>>> identity] 
>>>>> with a ‘sociological identity’ or a ‘phenomenon standing’ before them? A specific or a
>>>>> generalization? A near or far ‘thing’? A social construct conserve or an emergent person?
>>>>> Hope this assists.
>>>>> Brendan Cartmel
>>>>> Integral Socionomy
>>>>> Mob:0427560724
>>>>> 
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