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[Rollo Browne]

Thanks Peter. 
I’m looking for references to doubling mirroring and role reversal. 
It’s hard to tell what was in the first edition and what was added later. 
Cheers 
Rollo

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> On 18 Sep 2021, at 4:18 pm, Moreno <peter at moreno.com.au> wrote:
> 
> I’ve a copy of the first WSS edition - not digitised though and at the office - I’ll have a look on Monday. 
> 
> Dr Peter C Howie
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 18 Sep 2021, at 4:14 pm, Moreno <peter at moreno.com.au> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Dr Peter C Howie
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On 18 Sep 2021, at 8:48 am, cartmel at alphalink.com.au wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi Rollo – Walter – Peter - Group
>>> regarding the 1940 article quote …...
>>> Objectification of himself by the patient can also be accomplished by means of the 'reversal' 
>>> technique. 
>>> The patient is asked to place himself in the role of someone in his social atom, and an 
>>> auxiliary ego--or the actual person whom the patient is to portray, if possible--is placed In the role 
>>> of the 
>>> patient.
>>> The first issue at stake here is the one of - ‘near’ and ‘far’ sociometry - JLM wrestled with and never 
>>> got to 
>>> resolve.
>>> But, as much as I can discern,  your dialogue to date relates to another and deeper issue – that of 
>>> the 
>>> place of the  ‘individual’ in the modern mind where the individual is terrorized by the group. 
>>> A new reformulation of Aristotle’s dialectic of – the one versus the many. We see this with Trump 
>>> trying to 
>>> make the ONE usa great again by activating the unrulily mob.  Trump can not see the 
>>> irony of his mob terrorizing the one speaker of the house. 
>>> 
>>> Here is a 2006 quote from Boltanski.
>>> F. A. Hayek's Scientism and the Study of Society offers a particularly trenchant formulation of these 
>>> critiques. The author contrasts "method-ological individualism" with a "scientistic approach 
>>> treating as facts those collectives which are no more than popular generalizations" --or, as he puts it 
>>> later 
>>> on, "vague popular theories" (1952, 38, 54). To dismantle the totalist (collectivist) 
>>> prejudice, he borrows the terms in which Charles Vic-tor Langlois and Charles Seignobos 
>>> formulated their 
>>> critique of sociology: "[I]n the imagination as in direct observation, [collective acts] 
>>> always re-duce to a sum of individual actions. The 'social fact,' as recognized by certain sociologists, 
>>> is a 
>>> philosophical construction, not a historical fact" (210-11 n. 29). 
>>> 
>>> This is the issue for the auxiliary and protagonist reversing roles. Are they reversing [inverting 
>>> identity] 
>>> with a ‘sociological identity’ or a ‘phenomenon standing’ before them? A specific or a
>>> generalization? A near or far ‘thing’? A social construct conserve or an emergent person?
>>> Hope this assists.
>>> Brendan Cartmel
>>> Integral Socionomy
>>> Mob:0427560724
>>> 
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